How to cover the floor in the entrance. Bulk polymer floor in the entrance

In recently completed new buildings, more and more often you can find a coating that is unique in its operational and decorative parameters - self-leveling polymer floors. This is due to the unsurpassed advantages of these compositions, which create the optimal ratio of the main characteristics, including the price.

For a more complete comparison, it is worth listing all the advantages that a self-leveling floor covering has:

• The constructed coating containing polyurethane additives is characterized by maximum resistance to abrasion loads (important with increased pedestrian traffic);
• No chips or cracks (common for other finishing materials);
• A unique decorative effect is created (nice gloss, decoration with chips or flocks, a variety of colors);
• The floors have an anti-slip effect (important for the entrance space);
• No dust separation (high hygiene, you can easily and quickly restore cleanliness).
• Due to the long service life, the coating is quite economical.
• Equally good for use in residential buildings, hotels, office buildings.

Exploring these benefits, modern contractors are increasingly trying to use this type of finishing materials for the floor of a residential building in order to increase the functionality and decorativeness of the coating. Also, when repairs occur in finished residential buildings, owners or contractors, using a flooded floor in the entrance, achieve maximum efficiency, while creating a unique design unattainable for alternative finishes.

Polymer floors prices for working with the material

Thin-layer bulk epoxy coating - 0.8-1.2 mm

• Material and consumption: EP-0302-0.25 kg/m2; EP-2331 - 1.4 kg / m2; 0104 - 0.5 kg/m2.
• Material price price: 123.75+518+4.5=646.25 rubles/m2.
• Material price with 10% discount: 581 rubles / m2.
• Main types of work: sanding, primer 2 coats, painting 2 coats.
• Work prices: from 200 m2 - 500 r/m2.
• Price materials (discounted)
  781 rub.

Thin-layer bulk polyurethane coating - 0.8-1.2 mm

• Material and consumption: PU-0310 - 0.4 kg/m2; PU-2340 - 1.6 kg/m2.
• Price of materials price: 124+568=692 rubles/m2.
• 622 rubles/m2
• Main types of work:
• Work prices: from 200 - 500 r / m2.
• Material price (with discount)
  + works (minimum cost): 822 rub.

Epoxy bulk coating - 1.8-2.2 mm

• Material and costs: EP-0302-0.3 kg/m2; EP-2331 - 1.9 kg / m2; 0104 - 2 kg/m2.
• Price of materials price: 148.5 + 703 + 18 = 869.5 rubles / m2.
• The price of materials with a 10% discount: 782 rubles/m2
• Main types of work: sanding, primer 2 layers, pour the floor.
• Work prices: from 200 - 500 r / m2.
• Material price (with discount)
  + works (minimum cost): 982 rub.

Polyurethane bulk coating - 1.8-2.2 mm.

• Material and costs: PU 0310 0.4 kg/m2; PU 2340 - 2.2 kg/m2; 0104 1.4 kg/m2
• Price of materials price: 124+18+710=852 rubles/m2.
• The price of materials with a 10% discount: 766 rubles/m2
• Main types of work: sanding, primer 2 layers, pour the floor.
• Work prices: from 200 - 500 r / m2.
• Material price (with discount)
  + works (minimum cost): 966 rub.

Epoxy smooth thick-layer coating with a reinforced layer - 3.5-4 mm.

• Materials and costs: EP-0302-0.25 kg/m2; EP-2321 - 1.4 kg / m2;; 0104 - 4 kg/m2 (powder); EP-2331 - 0.6 kg / m2; EP-2331 - 1.5 kg/m2
• Price of materials price: 123.75+442.4+36+222+555=1279.15 rubles/m2.
• The price of materials with a 10% discount: 1151 rub./m2
• Main types of work: sanding, priming 3 layers, 3rd layer with sand, sealing, pour the floor.
• Work prices: from 250 - 500 r / m2.
• Material price (with discount)
  + works (minimum price): 1451 rub.

Preparing the base for the stairs: the main features

Appearance or the quality of the visual perception of the finishing layer, largely depends on the professionalism of the performance and the preliminary preparation of the base. A characteristic feature of stairs is the presence of the same number of vertical and horizontal surfaces, which differ significantly in the technology of finishing with epoxy or polyurethane compounds.

It should be noted right away that it is impossible to make a chamfer on a staircase using a self-leveling floor. When applying the finished composition, the horizontal surface takes on a perfectly even appearance, and the vertical side has to be treated with a spatula, so for more effective result, it is necessary to combine the compositions.

Important milestone- elimination of leaks. After application, on a vertical surface, it is necessary to carefully and quickly remove excess material. This is a common occurrence for self-levelling screeds applied to concrete stairs.

Application of self-leveling floor on stairs

Before to describe the phased implementation of the main work, it is worth mentioning right away: to achieve the maximum result, it is possible only if you have the necessary skills and proper qualifications, which allows you to quickly and efficiently apply epoxy or polyurethane compounds. If you are not familiar with the technology for preparing ready-made solutions, you should not experiment - the slightest discrepancy can lead to the loss of expensive formulations!

The self-leveling polymer floor at the entrance is prepared in small portions, 1-2, maximum 3 kg. This is due to the large intervals finishing works, which can exceed the maximum limit of elasticity of the composition - 30 minutes, after which the polymerization process begins.

The sequence of work is as follows:

• Pre-repair the surface, removing all chips using epoxy repair compounds.
• After they harden, sand the surface of the steps.
• Apply a primer to all areas that are being prepared for resin floors.
• Prepare a two-component composition.
• Apply the polymer composition in small portions on a horizontal surface.
• With a notched trowel, level the composition closer to the chamfer of the step.
• For the treatment of a vertical surface, it is better to use polymer compositions of the paint type. It is not only practical, but very inexpensive.
• After painting the vertical surface, carefully correct the places where there is a possibility of smudges.

By applying competent and consistent polymer application technology, you can achieve significant success. If you need to create more targeted functionality, with the features of two-component formulations and a range of fillers, you can find on our company website.

By changing the concentration of components, the type of filling and the amount of special additives, you can create flooring, which will exactly meet the stated requirements and preferences.

The most striking example is the strengthening of the anti-slip effect. If you need to create absolute security at the entrance platforms and the first flights of stairs, the introduction of a fine fraction of quartz filler will create almost ideal conditions that meet precisely such requirements.

What is the cost of flooring?

Before the offensive work on the arrangement of stairs and interfloor areas, it is worthwhile to determine in advance the area of ​​\u200b\u200bprocessed horizontal and vertical surfaces. This condition will allow you to accurately calculate the required amount of polymer compositions.

For a surface subject to high abrasion and mass load, polyurethane flooring is best suited, which has a synonymous name - solid linoleum. The advantages of this application are the ideal resistance to any type of destructive effect and, consequently, the maximum service life of the coating.

Vertical surfaces can be treated with epoxy-type paints that are no less hard in terms of durability.

The ideal combination of two compositions with different functional parameters creates an almost integral decorative surface. In other words, you save on the use of cheaper materials, but create a completely uniform and beautiful floor surface. Visually, the horizontal side and the vertical side will not differ in any way.

The total cost is calculated, as in all finishing works:

taken into account total area, the number of different polymer compositions, the complexity of installation.

Complex arrangement of self-leveling floors - the best option

Company "Polytech System" is a manufacturer of bulk compositions, the use of which is widespread not only in Moscow, but also in many regions of our country. These are the most modern compositions of excellent quality, confirmed by certificates of conformity to international standardization.

Our company uses exceptional raw materials, the preparation of which is carried out by leading suppliers from Europe and Korea. This is an important criterion, confirming the maximum compliance with the declared parameters, providing absolute results of finishing and functionality.

However, the most progressive offer from our company is that we sell all polymer compositions, offering our customers services for pouring them.

This is a huge advantage that allows you to achieve absolute results - the creation of the most aesthetic, durable and reliable coatings, with minimal time and money.

The specialists of our company will not only equip the stairs, but also give important recommendations on the use of a particular composition. If you want to ensure the best result, please contact our managers!

Legal advice:

1. Please, is there a deadline for repairs in an apartment building in the law on silence? Our house has been under renovation for half a year with loud noise. Thanks!

1.1. The fact is that in the law "On Silence" there are no deadlines for the production of repair work, but the time at which you can not make noise is indicated.

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2. In my apartment (the apartment building is 10 years old) individual heating from the gas boiler, all pipes from the boiler to the batteries run under the floors. This was done when the developer rented an apartment, one of the pipes leaked and I flooded the neighbors. Who should pay for repairs to me and my neighbors if I did not carry out any repairs. And what guarantee should be on metal-plastic pipes? Thank you.

2.1. Guarantee from the builder according to the law 5 years.
Repairs must be paid for either by the owner of the premises or the operating organization, if the common property of the MKD,

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3. Here's the question, I live in apartment building on the top floor, according to those. according to the passport, the terrace, which is the roof of the lower apartment, due to rains, the roof of the lower apartment began to leak, the terrace is open, the management company makes me repair the terrace, namely the floor covered by the waist, at my own expense. Is this legal on their part? Who should make repairs? And what law regulates it.

3.1. It’s not clear what the truth has to do with you, you are not the owner of the terrace. The roof, if it leaks, is obliged to repair the Criminal Code.

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4. In an apartment building, a sewerage repair is underway. An elderly woman lives on the ground floor with her disabled son. They dug up the floor, to replace the sewer, the workers of the capital repair fund. Who should restore the floor?

4.1. The contractor who carried out the repairs.

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4.2. Those who unearthed, they must return everything to its former state.

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5. In the MKD, a cap is carried out. repair. The organization carrying it out replaces the heating pipes. They demand to provide access to the apartment for laying a riser, although before that it was not there and they will have to gouge the walls and open the floors, they have no project. They said it was all right. They threaten. We don't want to let them in. What to do?
Regards, Alexey.

5.1. All responsibility, including in causing damage in this case, is borne by the Criminal Code. You may or may not be allowed. Determine how much damage the repair management company should compensate you for.

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6. Former hostel (now an apartment building) built in 1961. Cap. there has never been a repair. The ground floor is constantly flooded sewer water with faeces. The floor is rotting. Everything flows under the floor. The specialized machine that arrived said that it could not do anything: the pipes in the ground were apparently deformed and they had to be opened and shifted. UC doesn't want to do that. How to live without the lack of sewerage with the presence of all contents from the top 10 families.

6.1. You need to submit an application to the city administration (balance holder) for an examination of your residential building for habitability. As for pipes, then apply to the Criminal Code, if no action is taken, write complaints to the prosecutor's office and the Housing and Utilities Service of the region.

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7. We are the owners of an apartment in an apartment building, we are doing repairs. Removed old doors. The manager of the house came and turned off the elevator and said that the elevator should be closed with shields and the floor should be washed in the entire entrance (we all swept the mote in the house) is it legal?

7.1. Evgenia!
No, this is at least an abuse of the right by the house manager (Article 10 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation). You have the right to appeal against the actions of the house manager to the prosecutor's office and to the housing inspectorate.

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8. An apartment building is in the federal treasury, i.e. money is allocated for it, but the city administration claims that the house is not on the balance sheet. Major repairs were not carried out, the house was built in 1973, wooden. At the moment, major repairs of load-bearing walls and floors are required. Who should carry out the repair of a non-privatized apartment, the administration or me?

8.1. The owner bears the burden of maintaining his property - art. 209-210 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation. And the owner of municipal housing is the administration.
All the best to you and good luck with your problems.

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8.2. If the apartment is not privatized, then repairs must be made at the expense of the owners, that is, at the expense of contributions for major repairs.

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9. I have an apartment in the MKD recognized as emergency! The block of insulation has been destroyed, which is why the apartment has ice floors, and communications freeze in the basement! Do I have to pay for the repair of the blockage myself or should the company repair it!

9.1. If the apartment is municipal, then you yourself do not have to repair anything. This should be done by the management company that services your home.

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9.2. If your house is officially recognized as emergency, then why don't you demand relocation?
If you still decide to repair, then in your case it should be carried out by your management. Company.

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10. Pipes are being replaced in an apartment building, when old and new risers are removed, huge holes are drilled in the floor and ceilings, about 20 cm in diameter. Who will repair the ceilings and floors after installing new pipes?

10.1. It is necessary to deal with these issues - if it is in apartments, then they must carry out restoration
With respect to you, Filatov Evgeny Pavlovich.

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11. In the receipt for January in the section public Utilities there were two positions of electric energy MOS (day) and MOS (night) in units of kW. h. In February, these positions disappeared, and appeared in the section "Maintenance and repair of the premises" in the form of a single field "E / en on the maintenance of the common property of the MKD" and accrued in units of sq.m. how can this be explained? Is it legal?

11.1. In the receipt for January, in the utilities section, there were two items of electricity MOS (day) and MOS (night) in units of kW. h. In February, these positions disappeared, and appeared in the section "Maintenance and repair of the premises" in the form of a single field "E / en on the maintenance of the common property of the MKD" and accrued in units of sq.m. how can this be explained? Is it legal?

I can’t know what the Criminal Code or the housing department came up with, write them a claim, hand it over and wait for an answer.

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11.2. How to explain this - ask the person who brings you such information. We are not clairvoyants. How to know - who is writing there and on what grounds.
All the best. Thank you for choosing our site.

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12. I am the owner of an apartment in an apartment building. Do I have the right to use paint for painting floors, doors, etc. when making repairs in an apartment? The neighbors just started to get indignant, because they smelled of paint in their apartment because of us. Thank you.

12.1. Never mind. In your apartment, you have the right to make repairs and not ask permission from your neighbors about it. All the best.

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12.2. I am the owner of an apartment in an apartment building. Do I have the right to use paint for painting floors, doors, etc. when making repairs in an apartment? The neighbors just started to get indignant, because they smelled of paint in their apartment because of us.
Yes, you are right. Try not to conflict (ventilate, otherwise).

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13. We have a 5-storey apartment building built in 1963. There is no basement. All communications pass under our floor (1st floor). Floors, logs never changed. All the floors are sagging, they are shaking. What law can we rely on for the Criminal Code to carry out a major overhaul of the floor? The apartment is privatized.

13.1. Marina, file a complaint with the administration and the Housing Inspectorate, ask them to send a housing commission that will assess the condition of the house and decide whether the house needs to be repaired. overhaul, or it is already time to recognize it as dilapidated or emergency and resettle the inhabitants.

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14. How to prove and where to apply to declare the house unfit for habitation. The house is a multi-apartment one-story house, one half is residential, and the other half is only walls, the roof and floors need to be repaired, there are no windows, no doors, no sewerage, water, light. How to prove and where to submit documents for unsuitable housing, etc., do not pay utility bills, repair and maintenance of the micro-circle.

14.1. Please contact your local government. They can create a special commission that will recognize your house as unsuitable.
You can conduct an independent construction expertise

Thank you for visiting our site.
Always happy to help! Good luck to you.

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15. When carrying out work to restore power supply apartment building the installation rules were not followed, as a result of which electrical appliances were damaged in my apartment, the field of which their repair costs me a pretty penny, in what order and from whom can I recover funds to compensate for my damage?

15.1. when carrying out work to restore the power supply of an apartment building, the installation rules were not followed, as a result of which electrical appliances were damaged in my apartment
Whether the installation rules were violated, only an expert can answer this question.
Have you been warned that work will be carried out?

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16. A pipe burst in the apartment (common riser) of the sewer, in an apartment building. UC is inactive. He does not respond to the application, the master came half a year ago and said yes, we will do it and are still doing it. How can I reduce the payment for maintenance and current repairs?

16.1. If, as a result of a malfunction (a burst pipe of the common riser), you do not receive any housing and communal services properly or in full, then you have the right to demand a reduction in the payment for such a service.

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17. In an apartment building I have a non-residential premises, at the moment there is a cap. repair under the program, contractors involved in overhaul. repairers demand that I give them the opportunity to work at night, tk. they don't make it. In addition, construction debris is not taken out after work, when pipes are replaced, there are huge holes in the walls, ceilings, and floors. Who will eliminate all this and where should I turn, tk. I bear losses, it is impossible to work in such conditions.

17.1. File a complaint with the CPS and Housing Inspectorate

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17.2. Go to court, file claims against contractors to eliminate deficiencies. You have the right not to allow them at night.

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17.3. Contact the contractor for a complaint. If not satisfied, go to court.

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18. In our basement of an apartment building, something hovered, or a pipe broke through, or something else, the management company made repairs after some time in the apartment on the 1st floor, the floors were deformed. The management company does not provide an act of work done, says that nothing happened, although repairs were carried out for a long 2 weeks and hot water supply was turned off. How to be in this situation?

18.1. Olga.
You need to apply to the management company with an application so that the specialists of the Criminal Code come and draw up an act of examining the dwelling. In the future, it is necessary to assess the damage and collect from the Criminal Code through the court the amount of restoration repairs. If you need legal advice on this matter, please contact us.

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18.2. Olga!
First, file a complaint about violations of the management company with Rospotrebnadzor and the state housing inspection, and then, taking into account the results of the inspections, prepare and file a lawsuit with the court for compensation by the management company for the damage caused.

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19. We live with my family in an apartment building. ZHREU compels to raise the floors for holding current repair pipes of the heating system. We received a letter, signed by the head of the ZHREU, stating that we are obliged to allow them to the place of work, otherwise they will sue. All work and expenses for the opening of the floors fall on the shoulders of the homeowners. Are their actions legal? If yes, what do I pay monthly for?

19.1. The requirements for revealing the sex of housing and communal services workers are legitimate. Your demands to pay the costs of opening and subsequent repair of the floor are also legitimate. These works should be paid from funds for the maintenance of housing and current repairs.

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20. In several apartments of our MK, the floor failed - the ceilings rotted (the house is not old - 2003, it was simply built "on snot") We turned to the Management Company to create a competent commission and further repairs. They said that all residents should apply to the Head of the city for relocation from this house. Is this how such issues are resolved? Probably, first it is necessary to recognize the house as emergency. How does this happen? Who should be in charge of all these issues? Regards, Tatiana.

20.1. By decision of the general meeting of residents of MKD, any person can be appointed on a reimbursable basis. The Criminal Code is not involved in such matters. There is an interdepartmental commission under the Administration, they must be recognized as emergency, and if the apartments are social. rent will be relocated if the property will be bought at market value after they offer you to repair it.

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20.2. Tatyana! Read the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of January 28, 2006 No. No. 47. Everything is written there.

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21. A planned overhaul of the roof was made in an apartment building .. And now the roof is leaking. For 1.5 months we have been contacting the administration on this issue, and in response, only promises and breakfasts .. What to do? In one of the rooms of the apartment, the wallpaper began to fall off and the laminate on the floor swelled ...

21.1. --- Hello, write a complaint to the prosecutor's office. Best wishes.

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22. I am the owner of non-residential premises in an apartment building. At one time, when transferring a residential to a non-residential premises, I was given the condition of a mandatory disconnection from the heat supply of the house. Now, after the repair, the residents decided to change them due to the dilapidation of the heating pipes. Part of this heating goes under the floor of my premises and for replacement it is necessary to break the tiles and floors. I am asked to do this at my own expense. What to do? What are my rights in this situation.

22.1. You can refuse or insist on compensation, then let them decide the issue in court.

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23. A major overhaul will be carried out in our apartment building. We do not have technical room and the entire heating system, i.e. pipes run under the floor of the first floors. The apartment is owned.
Question: do I have the right not to let construction company employees come to me to replace pipes, not participate in overhauls, or who will compensate and repair broken floors, broken corners in my apartment, compensation for my time spent on repairs and inconvenience caused to me.

23.1. you can not participate in the overhaul.

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24. The apartment was privatized by the wife. She is a Labor Veteran and a disabled person of the 2nd group. When paying for housing and communal services v.h. (Maintenance of the dwelling), she received a benefit. Now she has died and the apartment has been inherited by me, that is, by her husband. I am a disabled person of the 1st group and a labor veteran. For the cold hot water, heating, electricity, gas, cap. repair of the MKD, I get tea, but not for the maintenance of the living quarters. Is our housing and communal services doing the right thing. comes our housing and communal services.

If the floor in the entrance collapses in your apartment building, especially if your house was built quite recently and is under warranty (operation period up to 5 years), do not delay, but immediately write a statement to the management company!

Let's give an example of poor-quality flooring in the entrance to the house number 30 on the street. Polbin, which was built by the construction company - PSK, and which is served by the management company "Simstroy".

The destruction of the floor covering in the entrance, as in the above photo, occurred due to a violation in the construction process of the technology of pouring the floor screed and self-leveling floor. Firstly, when pouring the floor screed in the entrance, a low-quality mortar was used, the damaged areas of the floor make it possible to fully assess the quality of the screed: it is easily destroyed even with a weak mechanical impact, turning into dust and sand.

Secondly, before pouring the self-leveling floor, the builders did not apply a primer and did not remove debris from the floor surface. Accordingly, a few months after the house was put into operation, in one place, then in another, in all three entrances of the house, the self-leveling floor cracked and collapsed, forming holes different size and forms.

Some residents applied to the management company "Simstroy" about this, but due to the fact that the appeals were mostly verbal, the repairs were carried out with VERY long delays and again - of poor quality. After the repair, you can’t even dream about the uniformity of the floor covering, rejoice that the holes are patched up and say thank you - such a policy for correcting jambs in PSK with the approval of Simstroy Management Company. Therefore, in order to ensure that all facts of violation of the fulfillment of their obligations by the developer and the management company must always be documented, so that at least something can be presented to them later.

The application must be drawn up and signed in two copies: one for the management company, the second for you, as confirmation of the very fact of the appeal.

The director of the management company or his authorized representative, when accepting the application, must fill in the necessary data on your copy (position, date and full name) and sign for receipt of his copy.

Application example:

Managing director

LLC "Simstroy"

Grishov V. M.

from the owner of the №____

MKD on the street. Polbina, d-30

_____________________

________________________

Statement

In the house number 30 on the street. Polbin in the second entrance on the landing XXXX floors, the floor covering is destroyed and bare dirty concrete slabs protrude in these places. This problem was almost from the very beginning of the operation of the house, which indicates the low quality of construction work.

For three years, the flooring in the entrances has been destroyed one by one in different places, repairs are being carried out with a very long delay. After the repair, the aesthetic appearance of the floor is very far from perfect and spoils the whole view of the entrance.

The managing organization "Simstroy" until now refuses to carry out work on the maintenance of common property on their own initiative . Thus, this inaction is contrary to the norms of the law and is a way of evading the obligation to maintain the common property of the owners of an apartment building.

In this regard, I require:

1. Within 10 (ten) working days, fix the floor covering in the second entrance on the landing of the 10th floor, ensuring an even and uniform floor covering.

In case of non-compliance, a copy of the application and photographs of the floor will be sent to the housing and communal services committee, housing inspection, the district prosecutor's office and the administration of the city of Ulyanovsk.

		___________		____________		___________________
		date		signature		FULL NAME.
Application received:	___________________	___________		____________		___________________
	position	date		signature		FULL NAME.

If the management company does not repair the floor in the entrance within the specified period and does not provide a reasonable written response on the postponement of the repair work, send a complaint against the public utilities through the ROSZKH portal (http://roszkh.ru/). It is better to send a complaint to absolutely all state bodies that the ROSZHKH website offers. If the complaint goes to the wrong address, you will only be told that this is not their area of ​​activity and responsibility. It will be much worse if you miss the main addressee.

Attention, question!

Who believes that due to the low quality of the screed and self-leveling floor in the entrances, the developer of PSK LLC should completely correct all the shortcomings, for example, put floor tiles on all stairwells near the apartments? - write your opinion in the comments.

Almost led to tragedy. The floor in Khrushchev could not withstand the load and fell into the basement. According to the preliminary version, illegal redevelopment became the cause of the collapse. Later, the Moscow Region authorities stated that direct links between repair work and there is no collapse of the plates. Why repairs are increasingly becoming dangerous not only for owners, but also for neighbors, the Vesti FM columnist figured out Pavel Anisimov.

The first footage from an apartment near Moscow, where an emergency occurred early in the morning, resembles an earthquake rather than an unsuccessful repair. The concrete floor slab sank into the basement. Around the broken floor tiles, torn wallpaper, rickety furniture. Judging by the picture, the room was renovated not so long ago. But the expensive doors between the rooms cannot be opened now - there is a hole under them.

According to rescuers, the cause of the collapse was the redevelopment of the apartment - one room was divided into two by a partition. The floor was filled with a concrete screed instead of a light expanded clay backfill. This increased the floor load by more than a ton.

The housing inspectorate of the Moscow region reported that the collapsed slab, contrary to the norms, was not reinforced, which also affected its strength. Ivan Andrievsky, First Vice President of the Russian Union of Engineers, comments.

ANDRIEVSKY: For example, to start working with ceilings, including strengthening the screed, it is necessary first of all to carry out instrumental quality control of this screed: the presence of cracks, the condition of the reinforcement in this ceiling. And only after that make a design decision on how to strengthen it.

The regional Ministry of Housing and Public Utilities does not associate the collapse of the ceilings with renovation. According to officials, the floor failed in adjacent apartments on the ground floor. People lived in them for several years, and before that the building was a hostel. However, the neighbors claim that before the repair, the adjacent apartments were one room, and the floors were poured there at the same time.

Now experts are figuring out who is to blame for the destruction - the customer of the renovation or the builders who built the house back in 1971. If the owner is found guilty, he will have to pay damages to the building at his own expense. In this case, the investigation should determine how the workers checked the old floor for strength or the owner of the apartment simply ordered that the condition of the floors be ignored. Yulia Komissarova, attorney at the Komissarov and Partners Bar, comments.

KOMISSAROV: We can screed a concrete floor only upon agreement, and depending on the type of house. Most likely, these are negligent actions on the part of the owner, who did not make the appropriate measurements. In this case, there is no fault on the part of self-guest workers. If, on the contrary, they decided - let's pour cheap concrete, then these are their guilty actions.

The statistics of collapses of residential high-rise buildings due to extreme repairs has become threatening. A few years ago in Yaroslavl, the owner of an apartment on the ground floor decided to equip himself with a basement. Hired migrant workers removed the floors and began to deepen the foundation. As a result, the entrance of six apartments collapsed, a woman died.

A similar incident occurred in Perm. Then there was a part of a five-story residential building. Two people died, two more were injured. Later it turned out that the owners of the office on the first floor decided to expand the premises and destroyed the load-bearing walls. The law forbids this - you can only make an opening in bearing wall. And then, if the technical expertise shows that such redevelopment does not threaten the strength of the house.

But most often during repairs in apartments, gas cylinders explode. There have been three such incidents in the last week alone. The other day in St. Petersburg, workers during the installation stretch ceilings blew up an apartment in a new building. The shock wave damaged 10 apartments, the elevator, knocked out part of the ceiling. Shrapnel covered cars parked near the house. Similar incidents have taken place in Samara and the Moscow region, and in all cases there are casualties.

Experts again blame apartment owners who hire uneducated coven workers with dangerous equipment, violate all building codes and repair rules. Only the Housing Inspectorate can punish unauthorized repairs. And then, if one of the neighbors complains. In fact, only a few are punished - many simply do not allow checks into their apartments with fresh European-quality repairs.

Prohibited floor designs in apartments with laminate, parquet and ceramic tiles

Some generalization of information (to Sergey (Shumakov) - this is my message - the post is not a question!) - below:

"...Little useful information(in order to minimally violate the rights of future neighbors from below and from the side and minimize the likelihood of one of the causes of conflicts) The fact is that most new buildings are rented out without an elastic 4-20 mm gasket between the screed and the CEILING (ceiling slab) of the lower neighbor ... And what are they doing in old houses - either by cleaning the floors on the logs or instead of the Soviet linoleum by laying laminate-parquet-tiles - it's not even worth talking about. In housing inspections and departments of Rospotrebnadzor, there are enough complaints about experimenters with a lower neighbor's ceiling slab.
Useful information - BELOW:

"... As for the so-called "SINGLE-LAYER" homogeneous floors. (certain FLOOR designs with a top layer in the form of laminate, parquet and ceramic tiles - without an elastic gasket 4-10 mm between the screed and the floor slab) ...
Currently, manufacturers do not test such structures with laminate / parquet / ceramic tiles as part of "single-layer floors" (without an elastic gasket between the floor slab and the screed (concrete or "dry").
Why do not manufacturers of laminate, parquet or ceramic tiles provide DETAILED and COMPLETE Test Reports from NIISF or another serious expert organization? That is why they do not produce it, since since the times of the USSR (and abroad) it has been established by tests that these types of floors do not correspond minimum requirements by 7-12 times the room sounds DOWN.. And what is the point for laminate / parquet / ceramic tile manufacturers to spend money on tests that show the inconsistency of their materials minimal requirements. For many years I have never come across test reports of such floors. For example, in the Institute of Building Physics (NIISF RAASN), which usually conducts such tests in apartment buildings..
But sometimes in the press against the will of the producers there are "indirect" negative test results of their materials in apartment buildings.
Just recently: article "Neighbor can be brought to justice", "Vechernyaya Moskva" No. 125 (25640) dated 07/11/2011. I will give an excerpt from there, written according to the results of testing floors that have recently been common in Russia
Valery ANGELOV, head the sector of sound insulation and enclosing structures of the building of the Research Institute of Building Physics:
"... Usually, the upstairs neighbor interferes with the residents. This is due to a violation of sound insulation. The fact is that in social housing apartments are rented with linoleum, which is taken into account when calculating sound insulation. The sound absorption of linoleum is up to 18 dB, and for parquet and laminate - 8- 12 dB If residents change linoleum to parquet or laminate, the sound insulation is broken, and the neighbor from below begins to hear every sound above.
And monolithic buildings are rented without finishing at all. When the owners make repairs, out of economy, they lay the floor covering right on the screed, and this is not enough……."

And what do these numbers 8-12 dB mean in simple terms? Let's translate:
Let's take the latest regulatory building act SP 51.13330.2011 (updated version of SNIP 23-03-2003 "Noise protection and acoustics", mandatory for any repairs and work in an apartment building. They contain a MANDATORY parameter during testing (after alteration or creation) floors - reduced impact noise level in the LOWER room, - maximum - 60 dB!
And, for example, this indicator, in an apartment, the ceiling of which consists of common (more than 80% of houses) and in Russia multi-hollow slabs 220 mm or 16-18 cm monolithic can be found in the calculation examples of SNIP 1977 ("Protection from noise)" - 80 dB (this SNIP is easily downloaded from a bunch of sites).…. This refers to a "bare" floor slab or a slab with a concrete screed. But to simplify, I advise you to download a popularly written and useful article Novosibirsk company (Link - sibamt.ru/Material/
"Soundproofing in residential buildings. Problems and solutions"
(you will find a lot of practical and useful information there):
There, in the floor test table (Table 2.1), you will also see this figure - that a 220-mm floor slab with a screed has this standard indicator for such slabs - 80 dB. And so that the neighbor from below does not become, in the worst case, a patient of a neurologist, is it required to reduce by how much? We believe:
We subtract from 80 dB in an apartment under a 220-mm multi-hollow or monolithic slab those 8-12 dB, which in the IDEAL case gives the so-called "laminate substrate" (see above - test data from an employee of the NIISF) - We get - 68-72 dB .. That is, from 8 to 12 dB is missing from the minimum required 60 dB. In Soviet-era houses handed over immediately with floors, the level of noise from walking-bumps was more or less brought to almost the minimum standard with medium-thick linoleum (which you will also see from this article and test tables) ... But what will your neighbor from above - ALWAYS ask this question...
That is, for single-layer floor structures with laminate or parquet, the noise in the lower apartment will be 7-11 times HIGHER (missing 8-12 dB, translated into "times" of intensity) So that the neighbor below at least does not hear your walking in a slipper and moderately hears running around children..-!

About "forbidden" ceramic tile designs:

"... A reinforced concrete floor slab 140 mm thick without coating has an index of reduced impact noise level of about Lw, n = 80 dB. (Lw,n = 60 dB for buildings of category B) is as much as 20 dB. This roughly corresponds to the case when a neighbor from above laid ceramic tiles directly on the floor. At the same time, absolutely all movements from above become audible in the lower room. And if in the previous publication it was was about the fact that the existing sanitary standards and the concept of acoustic comfort are things located quite far from each other, then what can be said in this case? ..." acoustic. en/ref_book/article ... /overlaps/
Soundproofing of interfloor ceilings, soundproofing of rooms
"Construction Technologies", No. 5 2002)

And here's another one from the answer on the soundproofing-acoustic forum of a soundproofing specialist of a well-known acoustics engineer A. Boganika:

"... Laying ceramic tiles on a "bare" (i.e. without a soundproof floor) floor structure is really the worst option. If just a leveling screed was left in the room, laid on the floor slab without any gasket (which, of course, is a theoretical assumption ) - this would be better in terms of impact sound insulation. When hitting the screed, the top layer of cement turns into dust, which begins to play the role of a cushion layer. (This can be clearly seen when testing in a sound chamber, when an impact machine that hits one and the same place of the "bare" floor slab becomes a little quieter after a while).
Strong and rigid ceramic tiles do not dampen anything, so those 20 dB of difference between the minimum requirements of SNiP and the actual value of the impact noise level in the absence of a ZI floor structure and the laid tiles become clearly and frighteningly audible.
At the same time, impact noise is clearly audible in adjacent rooms if such tiles are not made in the room above, but in the corridor above and on the side. And of course, this is a big problem, because life in the apartment below becomes nervous and uncomfortable ... "( from the acoustic forum site. ru - company AcousticGroup)

That is why such floor structures are not intended (but formally legally prohibited under the test conditions) in multi-apartment residential buildings. But since there is no sanction in the form of a fine for this, and the state let control take its course in the 90s, you yourself understand ...
So... If such floors (more precisely, the constructions of single-layer interfloor floors) are not even designed for walking in slippers or moving chairs, then what can we say about children running around!

(Yes, I forgot to remind you - HUGE numbers - "15-19 dB" - on packages with a "steamed" substrate for laminate parquet (if you get a grasp and find out the truth - refers to the test results of thicker gaskets and usually under severe(!) coupler. However, on the topic of the real ratio of dB figures on rolls of 1.5-2 mm of a substrate for a laminate or parquet to completely different designs and completely different thicknesses of gaskets, only a lazy acoustician did not write.
However, you can try to get yourself from the sellers or from the manufacturer (letter to the site) Test report for floors (laminate or parquet) on the SOLD substrate. I think you will achieve the same result as me - silence in response ....
So, as an additional step when getting an apartment, I advise you to find out what type of floor your upstairs neighbor is going to do ... .. AND NEGOTIATE! Then - almost impossible or expensive to fix ...
Otherwise, especially if you are a working person who needs to sleep at night before a working day, you can “get” into an uncomfortable situation (for example, small children, children and or some categories of non-working people and “wrong” floors above or on the side behind the wall)

[Good luck in choosing an apartment and the "right" neighbors of neighbors and success in carrying out the "right" repair!

To be continued...

And the consequences of impact noise and “not recommended” floors apartment buildings manifest themselves in the form of the effect of the multi-headed “Snake Gorynych”: “One head drinks, and all the rest suffer from a hangover ..”. Explanation: impact noise has an “anti-neighborly” property: due to the resonances of ceilings, walls and rooms, impact sound is slightly attenuated, being transmitted several floors up and down and horizontally (in the terminology of acoustics - “structural” sound transmission.). And the sound is emitted everyone surfaces of neighbors' apartments - not just some one wall or ceiling-floor. He lowered the chair “carelessly” on the “wrong” floor after 23.00 - the sounds of the “strike” will intensify and reach all the nearest neighbors. And if the next neighbor also has “sound-conducting” floors, then, having weakened a little, he will reach more distant neighbors (like “fire along the gasoline track”). This is a “harmful” property of a tile (parquet-laminate has less) - “small internal attenuation”.
Myths about carpets.
There is a question on the site (claims from neighbors below after laying tiles on their ceiling in the hallway and kitchen): “What if I put carpet on the tiles?” Answer from an acoustic specialist: “If you put carpet under the tiles, then the impact noise reduction effect for the neighbors would be noticeable. No humor - the property of the system has long been known to professional acoustic engineers: “concrete slab-screed-tile” = resonant amplification of sound at 1-2 frequencies of the audible range. For example, the sounds of a moving chair are “heard” by neighbors from the side, from below. And a cheap carpet with a hard (not rubber) base will only reduce some of the “vertical” “impacts” (for example, the “stomping” of a child or falling objects) - the carpet cannot eliminate the “resonant system” that has arisen.
But the horizontal ones (a chair that can be moved, for example) will weaken enough. If, however, a cheap 3-mm foam material (isolon, polyethylene foam, etc.) is also put under the carpet on the “wrong” floor, then the harm to neighbors' health will be halved. Resonant effects not provided for by the project will not disappear, but the number of neighbors to which sounds reach will decrease (like a fire on a “path” of gasoline), and the strength of the sound is the probability of waking up a neighbor, to whom the sound “bridge” of the “wrong sex” will carry percussion sounds. (For toilet-bath, where for waterproofing and sanitary reasons, as an exception, cheap rubber mats are allowed by SNiP).
There is a cartoon where a bear tries to climb into a house built by small animals ... Yes, the house was not designed for him ... And apartments with a “leveling (rough) screed” are not calculated according to the design sound insulation in order to put anything other than a thick one directly on this screed (4-5 mm) linoleum (with a bottom layer of foam) or parquet (laminate) in compliance with all technological soundproofing requirements (or a “floating” floor).

About sleep and "night" sounds
“…For awakening, the decisive role is played by those discrete components whose level is more than 10 dB higher than the average noise level………” (“Handbook of Technical Acoustics”, edited by M. Heckl and H. A. Müller, p. 106) - a situation where the volume of sound during sleep, albeit briefly, increases 3 times (= 10 dB) in comparison with the permissible night background level. Also: “..may make sleep superficial or wake the sleeper. Sudden short-term noises are especially disturbing, for example, slamming doors, gunshots, barking dogs, and so on, the level of which exceeds the noise background by more than 10-15 dB.”(“Science and Life” No. 4.2006 p. 82.)

“.... We do not yet have effective methods shorten sleep without harm to health .... In the West, they made such an observation - on Monday morning the number of accidents increases sharply, and all because on Sunday they get up and go to bed also later than usual ....”
Director of the Somnological Center of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation Professor Ya. Levin

Article “How much sleep do you need…” “Komsomolskaya Pravda” March 25, 2009...required for complete recovery of the body (According to the World Health Organization). It's clear that 43% population - required 8 or more hours of sleep and 23.5% - more than 9 hours.

about available methods.
“By default”, the builders assume the duty of the movers to bring the sound insulation to the norm (at least not to worsen) and not to perform, without extreme necessity, excessive shock and other noise actions, which are not designed to suppress standard projects apartments.
But there is also available ways reduce harm, unknowingly and not intentionally, caused to neighbors, for example:
1. Free:

• do not slam the door on the latch, but carefully close it;
• do not “bang” with room and balcony doors;
• finish the “noisy-impact” activities (washing) in the noisiest (according to the project - with “sound-amplifying” tile floors) room of the apartments - the bathroom) if possible (!) before 23.00 at night;
• in rooms with such floors, if possible, do not “stomp” and do not use slippers with hard heels,
• lower - move furniture (chairs, sofa layout) “slowly and sadly”, etc.

2. Low cost:

• pieces rubber seal, with which windows are sealed (“E”-profile-the thinnest or “P” or “D”-thicker) around the perimeter of the doors in the apartment, if young children or the elderly or drunk do not always control their actions by “slamming” the doors;
• felt (rubber) padding on chair legs;
• cheap carpeting (and even more effective, cheap 3 mm foam under it) in those places where furniture (chairs) moves (after 23.00) on “sounding” floors, a sofa unfolds, etc.
• A carpet in a room with a “sound amplifying” floor in a place where, after 23.00, the mistress’s heels click, etc.

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At least in the table of this brochure I mentioned, comparative materials are presented in sufficient detail and briefly in terms of "prohibited" and part of conditionally recommended ("allowed" - corresponding building requirements) floors .. (Analyze the materials of the REGULATORY act-SNIP 1977 "Protection from noise" (for apartment buildings), where in the text and in tables 10-14 almost all permitted-corresponding floor constructs are presented - a little longer and more stressful ..) SNIP1977 " Noise protection" is easily and free of charge downloaded from many sites of legal or construction documents - just enter "SNIP1977 "Noise protection" in the search bar...
And SNIP 1977 also contains a floor structure on logs along glass wool strips (analogous to Vibrostek), which, in different options, including those with strips of roofing material, and without an elastic gasket between the log and the floor slab were in 90% of houses rented before the 90s) and concrete screed more than 100 kg of mineral wool density and other types of the LOWER (!) layer of the "correct" MULTILAYER floors that meet the minimum requirements (and in Table 14 of SNIP 1977 - a type of SINGLE-LAYER floor - types of 4-5 mm linoleum (which can also be laid directly on the floor slab to "extinguish" 15-20 dB of impact noise missing)
The only thing that is not in SNIP 1977 from floor constructs that give acceptable results in terms of impact noise levels in the lower apartment - there is no KNAUF "dry screed" floor construct "... So this is understandable - such types of floors, and the GVL materials themselves and GKL, in those days were not common in the USSR and were not produced by construction plants on such a scale as they are now ...

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To the last paragraph of the previous message-addition:
... But a similar design (as well as an analogue - but with a larger (!) Surface mass - Rokvolovsky (and other mineral wool manufacturers) construct from "two layers of plywood according to FloorButts") (although more mass and, accordingly, greater efficiency ) is given in points 2 and 3 of Table 12. BELOW:
...2. Floor covering on a monolithic screed or prefabricated slabs with a surface density of 60 kg/m2 over a soundproof layer with a dynamic modulus of elasticity 3 104 - 10 104 kgf/m2
3. The same, for a soundproof layer of sand or slag with a dynamic modulus of elasticity 8 105 - 13 105 kgf / m2 ...

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At one time, when there was no Internet, but there was a problem in my apartment with sounds from the elevator - I "hung" in our regional scientific library (and in a couple of scientific libraries in Russian cities - on vacation) And according to the "content" of sections I studied construction textbooks (available in the SCIENTIFIC (!) REGIONAL (!) Library), an interesting thing turned out:
The topic of "sound absorption" (and not even sound insulation!) is touched on a maximum of ten pages only in the course "Building materials."Of course, there were" available "in the library repositories and textbooks, for example, Kovrigin's "Architectural and Construction Acoustics" or the manuals of Soviet acousticians Kreitan or Lvov .. But ... as I understand it, the topic of ACOUSTICS (and even more so -" sound insulation of enclosing structures" as an independent course (at least ONE per semester!) Is studied only in NON-CONSTRUCTION universities (aviation, shipbuilding, radio engineering or some other specialization) And then - as part of the GRADUATE specialization or optional. In general, I concluded that with the exception of the actually quite good normative document (SNIP 1977) and a couple of five normative and non-normative documents in its development IN DETAILS, when training future builders, this topic is not brought up ... (NO DOUBT - more important in training is the development by a builder or architect of knowledge about strength ( stability) of structures and their calculations or information about structures and materials that provide thermal conditions ... And the course of study is limited to 5 years.
Another thing is that, due to the state construction mechanism in the USSR, TYPICAL ( recommended) floor structures (as components of the House Projects) were MANDATORY upon delivery .. (That is, REALLY, future civil engineers or design architects did not need knowledge of these matters - "there is a project where smart people everything was taken into account from the Center and all permissions were received "..) And these typical constructs in the projects of the times of the USSR naturally met the minimum requirements for interfloor sound insulation for residential buildings of category "B" (least comfort) .. (Well, maybe with the exception of some experimental series) I'll just remind you that I lived in different types houses built in the 60s and 70s (both panel and brick) BUT! Even in a student (!) hostel and in a municipal panel hostel, I did not feel the "presence" of neighbors from above or from above-side (we are talking about impact noise) - unless something heavy, such as an armchair or a "drunk body" falls from above. Is it any different when my neighbors from the top from THEIR ceiling (!) (the LAST (!) floor) heard the child of the apartment BOTTOM (my side neighbors) running across the floor from "tiles on screeds" (a large hall-living room in my 4-room side neighbors ... And I heard, respectively, how the neighbors cat "sweeped" over the SAME tiled floor over me .. (when behind the half-brick wall the neighbor's granddaughter or the neighbor on the "wrong" parquet floor something rearranges - tozh to hear.
And why - in all these houses (projects from the times of the USSR), the upper neighbors had PROJECT floors "on the logs" (one of the designs that reduce TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD impact noise to inaudibility.
Note: perhaps, since I have no experience of communicating with teachers of construction or architectural universities, I am not so right. And my conclusions about the absence of a detailed course (semester, section) of study on "soundproofing of building envelopes and residential buildings" were erroneous ...

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1) About the protection of the TECHNICAL side of your room - so ask more specific a question for specialists (S. Shumakov) with the obligatory reference to the thicknesses and structures of the walls and ceilings of YOUR apartment and the type of floor of your upstairs neighbors. ... If you are still on this forum, using the phrase "Room in a room" entered in the "Search" line, you doubt the solutions (PARTIAL (!) TECHNICAL (!) In this way - technical ...
..
2) On the practice and prospects of a judicial and legal solution to the issue (compliance with SNIp, etc.) - at the forum "Club of the Defenders of Silence" a couple of years ago, she briefly cited the materials of expert surveys and an employee of one of the firms under the nickname "Oksana" spoke about the practice of such cases "..Go to that forum -
http://boomdown.com/node/1348 Topic "Example of a Successfully Drafted Statement of Claim"
..And there or in the same topic after registration, ask a question or try it in a personal ...
However, you can search the Internet yourself - maybe over the past couple of years the practice has been enriched with new legal solutions ...

3) MONEY is a great incentive ... often (but not always) You can offer (buy) your upstairs neighbors to buy carpets with an elastic backing at YOUR expense (half measure, of course and ineffective) - but at least something ... Sometimes, from experience, it works (although the effect is not the best - by no means - in comparison with "floating" floors.)..
Or pay in full (half? Materials?) or a thick 5 mm linoleum or a "floating" floor according to one of the schemes given on this forum ... It's me - in all seriousness - you need a RESULT ..?

4) And honestly - with intractable or, especially, associative neighbors, or even more so with a "non-working" rhythm of life (they don't sleep at night after 22.-23.00), I somehow don't see an overly optimistic way out if there are "forbidden" anti-neighbor constructs upstairs floor ... Moving - to the LAST floor or to a house with floors corresponding to SNIP 2003 (SP2011) (or SNIP 1977 - part of the houses of old buildings with the correct "floors on logs.") - not always real ...
As I already wrote, I have good and civilized neighbors ... so you can live (sometimes with earplugs ..)
In general - a classic soundproof ceiling on vibration suspensions with a depth of -13-15 cm .. well, as in this forum in FAQ C, Shumakova) and a classic soundproof cladding non-bearing( acoustically light) walls (or cutting them off from the ceiling - when technical feasibility!) - I would try (which I myself am going to do in my apartment for several years now - my elevator "howls" in the apartment due to its proximity to the elevator shaft - so special materials were purchased (except for non-special - GVL, GKL and profiles with fasteners. - what can be bought easily and should be immediately before the process) - vibration suspensions and mineral wool and Vibrostek have been waiting ... for a long time).
As for other methods, I can’t advise you, because advice entails a certain responsibility. Even the “room in a room” design does not guarantee 100% against strong impact sounds from above on prohibited floors (a certain strong (!) Intensity) (it does not guarantee - only in my assumption - no more! - I myself still have a ceiling in my apartment on vibration suspensions and cutting off the non-load-bearing interior partition I didn’t do it from the floor slab - it’s not for me to judge the possible or maximum efficiency ...) ..
.On the site-forum "Club of the Defenders of Silence"-there... people try in all sorts of ways.

Well, what should I do with such neighbors? They just got me in one corner of the apartment, they already called the police - zero effect.

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Innovation: The legal aspect of "forbidden" floor structures (interfloor ceilings) began to be actively dealt with (up to requests to the Ministry of Construction and the prosecutor's office, not to mention work (complaints) that have not stopped for at least several years to residential inspections) on the popular forum "Club of Silence Defenders ."
After a long break, I came to this good site and ...
By clicking on the left on this forum on the line on the left " Last messages" you will see in at least two of the more than a dozen topics (recent discussions) for August the results of attempts since 2013, both through the prosecutor's office and through the housing inspections and through the Ministry of Construction of Russia, to begin the procedure for changing the practice of legislation and wording in terms of arbitrariness with the installation of floors ..
Either through the recognition of most of the constructive floor - as if "common property" (divergence on "prohibitions" hits the brains of the inhabitants of SEVERAL apartments. And through attempts to introduce into the registration certificate the section on the composition of the floor that disappeared in the 80s-90s. ..
In general, the arbitrariness of the upper neighbors with a slab of THEIR (!) Ceiling obviously got people.

This is an appeal to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on such disputes - a TYPICAL and USUAL step of people ... What they do quite often when challenging technical and legal norms -
And until the chelas pass this stage, it is difficult to hope for a GENERAL and effective result.
Read for yourself - I gave a link on how to get to this useful presentation of the material on the forum site “Club of the Defenders of Silence” on “forbidden sexes” from an unusual angle.
..Very informative text with a description and full calculations and answers from the BTI (and Rostekhinventarizatsiya) and the Ministry of Construction of the Russian Federation and the Prosecutor's Office.
And calculations (not all) from technical and technical-legal regulations by gender ..
(It is interesting, for example, to read excerpts from an answer from one of the administrative bodies in the spirit of “.. how do you imagine – how will we remove skirting boards and ….”)

The main thing is that this path has been beaten .. The first and most inefficient stage(work with administrative authorities, and not with judicial ones - the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) passed ...
Maybe the chelas (under the nickname Praktik and others) ALL THE SAME will follow the standard path - the SECOND often PRODUCTIVE stage will pass .. Along the STANDARD and TYPICAL path to obtain a result that many have already passed ... In R. G. ("Rossiyskaya Gazeta") often in very small print they print Decisions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the recognition of certain formulations of technical and legal acts as invalid in general or as valid in a DIFFERENT sense than previously recognized by the body that issued them ....

1. Appeal to the world, regional (republican) - in order to “recognize ....” or “force….” (by filling in the columns of the technical passport of the BTI (Rostekhinventarization) of their area. (and a standard appeal to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - in the order of or directly challenging two or three technical and legal acts on the list of actions recognized as redevelopment and (and) on filling out the column in the Technical passports on the FULL constructive gender .. (Or in the order of supervision by decisions of lower (world or regional courts)
2. Appeal to the RF Armed Forces DIRECTLY for correction
   (“recognition as inappropriate……in the sense in which redevelopment does not imply a change in the design (composition) of the floor, including………….”
   AND
   “……recognition as inappropriate (invalid) in the sense in which it is not implied that it is mandatory to include in the data sheet a description of the floor structure with inclusion of the characteristics of heat and sound insulating (elastic) layers”
   The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation often make something like such decisions and wordings ... And within its competence is the JUDICIAL interpretation of that Decree of the Government, which defines certain types of actions, YET specifically recognized as redevelopment .... And within its competence (of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation) is the JUDICIAL interpretation of the paragraphs of the Order of the Ministry for inventory (MANDATORY entry of the TOTAL floor construct into the columns of the data sheet) and the Government on the procedure and methodology for the inventory (entering data and the form of the data sheet) on the need to enter the DESIGN of the floor in the Data Sheet (And in accordance with CURRENT the wording of the Housing Code of the Russian Federation and the Technical Standards for the Operation of Housing, which allow recognizing a change in the floor structure as redevelopment) If you cannot go the direct route, there is no fine in the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation for violation building regulations IN GENERAL, and it is unlikely to appear - then you can look for OTHER ones. To follow the COMPLETELY REASONABLE path of recognition and change in the form of a SPECIFIC and UNIQUE wording in the Government Decree
3. There is no penalty in the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation for violation of SNiPs and SP GENERALLY - only in cases where the violation of SNIPs resulted in death or other serious consequences ...
   So far, this is present only in the form of a requirement of SNIP (SP) without a fine in the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation). There are enough such acts. There is a ban (either direct or INDIRECT - in the form of a DEMAND), but there is no punishment ... Given our customs and some kind of legal ... e ... nihilism, the income levels of most Russians, the absence of such a fine may be reasonable ...

But the recognition in one way or another of SUCH a change in the CONSTRUCTION of the floor ("pie" of the interfloor overlap) DIRECT (!) And SPECIFIC text "REPLANNING"(or indirectly, in the form of a description of the sex in the column of the Technical Passport) would be more or less reasonable and ... maybe ... effective?
Opinion: In my opinion, it is unlikely that people from the forum rely on - a change in the Housing Code of the Russian Federation and the Government Decree on the composition of common property - On recognition as "COMMON PROPERTY" "interfloor flooring, including the mandatory elastic layer in the floor structure.." or "interfloor overlap and floor, without finishing (upper) layer of the floor" .. Something needs to be left to please the aesthetic tastes of the residents. But what the hell is not joking, maybe people will achieve this through their own State Duma deputies and other lobbyists ...
They achieved the decision of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that the enclosing structures (slabs) of the balconies are the COMMON property of the owners of the house .. (determination of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of 17.01.2012 No. KAS11-789)

Note(about the TYPICAL position of administrative bodies):
A couple of years ago, even the most advanced inspection (GZhI, Moscow) limited itself in response to Muscovites' statements about "forbidden floor structures at the top" with answers, like.
“there must be an elastic gasket in the floor structure above the living quarters ...” Ignoring, for example, the explanations in ST SEV on impact noise and in our SNIPs and on taking into account the need for change and ACCOUNTING DIAGONAL(

Taki - for the sake of interest. Here is an example of the most loyal answer on the GZhI website of Moscow from 2011.

Question: Good afternoon. House series P-3M 1998. Foamed linoleum lay on the floor slab. It was quiet. Now the neighbors on the floor above have replaced it with parquet, which was laid through plywood, while soundproofing was not done. .We have become noisy. Hearing steps, movement of objects. Heard when a small object falls. Is this a violation? How to be in this situation? Can the inspectorate appoint an examination of the floors. Or you need to apply to the court with a request to appoint an examination.

Answer:
For the examination, grounds are needed, i.e. confirmation of the fact that the noise level in your apartment exceeds the permissible values. You can invite a licensed organization that will measure the noise from any sources during the day and at night. In difficult cases, when the noise effect is unstable or has a random unpredictable character, it is possible to install a noise recorder that records changes in any area of ​​the sound spectrum. Based on the results of the research, a report is compiled with measurement data, as well as recommendations for eliminating sources of noise exposure. However, in order to establish the reason for exceeding the permissible noise level, access to the upstairs apartment and the consent of the neighbors to open the floor is required. Violation is an inconsistent change in the design of the floor. In case of refusal of access, the issue can be resolved through the court. If you apply in accordance with the established procedure to the Moscow Housing Inspectorate, your appeal will be considered and the necessary measures will be taken on it. However, it should be noted that the Moscow Housing Inspection does not pay for noise level measurements.

And below is another also typical answer of the GZhI of Moscow from 2011 (less loyal to the lower neighbors of self-governing officers with THEIR CEILING slab) ..

Question: Hello! Can you please tell me how the apartment is checked for redevelopment of floors? And what is the difference between "re-laying floors" and "replacing the finishing flooring"? Thank you.

Answer:
The floor structure includes several layers:
- base
- thermal insulation
- soundproofing
- coupler
- top (finish) coating
Depending on the number of layers, floors can be single-layer and multi-layer. The number of floor layers, as a rule, depends on the purpose of the room.
Single-layer floors are not used from an acoustic point of view.
No project or permit is required to replace the floor finish. Violation is an unauthorized change in the design of the floor.
Replacing the floor structure is carried out according to the project, and on the basis of the permission of the Moscow Housing Inspection. Soundproofing of porous elastic material for living quarters is required. The floor plan includes a floor plan, a floor plan, and a floor waterproofing plan.
The project requires a contract for architectural supervision.
In the process of work, it is necessary to draw up certificates of examination of hidden works.
Activation of hidden work is carried out with the participation of a representative of the design organization, the customer, the work foreman and the representative of the owner.
Acts for hidden work must be drawn up immediately after their completion, if in the further course of construction this type of work or structure must be hidden.
In the case of performing work on their own, the act can be drawn up with the participation of representatives of the management company, housing maintenance organization and the owner of the premises.
According to the Regulations for the design and implementation of the reconstruction and (or) redevelopment of residential and non-residential premises in residential buildings on the territory of the city of Moscow (Decree of the Government of Moscow dated September 25, 2007 N 831-PP "On amendments and additions to the Decree of the Government of Moscow dated February 8, 2005 N 73-PP"), in the absence of acts for hidden work The inspection has the right to demand selective opening of the structures of the controlled object in order to check the quality of the layers in multilayer structures, the correct filling of the seams, the arrangement of joints, etc.
The requirements for floor structures are set out in the regulatory documents: SNiP 2.03.13-88. floors; SNiP 3.04.01-87. Insulating and finishing coatings"; SNiP II-12-77. Noise protection; "MDS 31-11.2007. Installation of floors"; "Floors". Technical requirements and rules for design, installation, acceptance, operation and repair (in development of SNiP 2.03.13-88 "Floors" and SNiP 3.04.01-87 "Insulating and finishing coatings"), Recommendations for installation of floors (in development of SNIP 3.04.01-87 "Insulating and finishing coatings"), "Recommendations for the installation of floors" were developed by the floor department of JSC "TsNIIPromzdaniy" in development of SNiP 3.04.01-87 "Waterproofing and finishing coatings", section 4 " Floor arrangement, etc.

Since it is present in this answer from 2011. from the State Housing Inspectorate of Moscow, the wording, under the guise of which some grass-roots workers, who probably do not have "forbidden sexes" in the upper neighbors, were hiding and are hiding behind when they reply to complaints about self-governing officials from above.

Note: Since approximately 2012, the section "Answers-Questions" in the forum genre has disappeared on the website of the GZhI of Moscow. Therefore, I can’t say anything about the policy of this supervisory authority at the moment ...